在维基百科讨论:結構式討論的话题

Here are some questions that Chinese Wikipedian looking for answers:

1. Does Flow will be default in the future and we will abandon the previous talkpage system, or the Flow will only be deployed by admins, like the translate templates in meta? (by Carrotkit)
2. Could Flow support Simplified-Traditional Chinese Conversion? (by Irycatewi)
3. Could disussion in Flow be moved to another place, we need this for archive votes of DYK, GA, FA... (by Irycatewi)
4. Could Flow support mobile version or app from WMF? (by LNDDYL)

The above questions has been answered by Danny. Please see the link for further feedback.

Another round of questions:

1. Could Flow support twinkle? Looks like the thread of Flow could not be deleted by TW. (by Antigng)
2. Looks like the translation for time-stamp is not stable in Win7. The long-term Wikipedian reports that the time-stamp on Flow is in English or can only be seen for a second the translated time-stamp. (by Shizhao)

(Sorry for posting in English:) Hi, I'm Danny -- the product manager from the Wikimedia Foundation team that's building Flow. I'm glad that you're testing it out, and I'm interested in hearing what you think. Do you have any questions about the feature that I can answer?

（維基媒體基金會，開發Flow的專案經理Danny來留言耶～以下是翻譯）我很高興各位正在測試這個新工具，我也對各位的想法很感興趣。請問各位對Flow有沒有什麼問題可以讓我來為各位解答的？

Hi Danny! Thanks for creating this great system, which allows users to reply others more easily.

I would like to ask that how could users adopt this system in different pages. Are Flow talk pages created by ordinary users, or by administrators? Could users choose not to adopt this system in their own user talk pages?

Thank you for your kind attention. P.S. I apologize for my poor English.

Hello Mr. Danny,

I like Flow. I would like to thank you for enabled Flow on zhwiki :)

but, I have a few questions about Flow.

1. Flow does not support the Traditional Chinese characters and Simplified Chinese characters Conversion (繁简转换) in zhwiki?
2. The topic cannot be moved to another Flow talk page?

Sorry, my english isn't very good, Thank you!

I also have this problem. Many people in China's mainland can't read Traditional Chinese, while some Hong Kong people have difficulty with understanding Simplified Chinese. The Flow system do not support TC and SC conversion, and it may make discussion even more differcult.

Hello! Thank you for writing and translating into English for me. You write in English much better than I could write in Chinese! :)

哈囉！謝謝各位用英文書寫、替我翻譯。各位的外語的能力比我講中文的能力強太多了！ :)

I'm glad that people like the feature, and I'm happy to answer your questions.

我很高興大家喜歡這項新功能，很樂意為各位回答提問：

#1. Does Flow will be default in the future and we will abandon the previous talkpage system, or the Flow will only be deployed by admins, like the translate templates in meta?

"#1. Flow在未來是會預設取代所有的既有的討論頁，還是會像在元維基的翻譯模板一樣，由有權限的管理員針對不同的討論頁決定是否開啟Flow？"

The goal is that Flow will become the default talk page system in the future. There are still a lot of features for us to build, so it's rolling out slowly.

我們的目標是讓Flow未來成為所有討論頁的預設值。現在我們還得建立很多功能，所以這個目標短期內也許不是那麼快可以達到。

Right now, it's up to the community on each language WP to decide where Flow would be helpful and appropriate, and we're turning it on for individual pages or namespaces based on where the community wants to use it. In some languages, like Catalan, French and Portuguese, they're using Flow pages on help pages and wiki-wide talk pages, like the 维基百科:互助客栈 pages. If you'd like to try Flow on some project, talk or user talk pages, I'll be happy to set them up!

現在的狀況，是看每個不同語言版本維基百科的社群，如果這個社群覺得Flow是夠好用、十分適合拿來用，我們可以協助社群在各種獨立的頁面或名字空間底下啟用Flow功能。現有一些語言版本的維基百科（像是加泰隆尼亞語、法語、以及葡萄牙語）已經在幫助/說明頁面跟維基事務討論頁（像是 维基百科:互助客栈 ）啟用此功能。如果各位想要在某些專題、討論頁或用戶討論頁開啟Flow功能，我很樂意為各位架設！

#2. Could Flow support Simplified-Traditional Chinese Conversion?

"#2. Flow可以支援簡繁轉換功能嗎？"

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this. Is this something that you can do on wikitext talk pages now? I'll ask the Wikimedia person who's in charge of Language Support, and I'll learn more about it.

很抱歉，我對簡繁轉換並不熟悉。這是跟討論頁上的維基語法有關的東西嗎？我會問問在語言支援團隊的維基人，我會試著學學相關的內容。

#3. Could discussion in Flow be moved to another place, we need this for archive votes of DYK, GA, FA...

"#3. Flow可否把討論頁移到另外一處？我們需要用這樣的功能來存檔DYK、GA、或FA...“

Flow boards automatically put new and active discussions at the top of the page, so you don't actually need to remove archive votes from the page. When the discussion is closed, it just falls naturally down the page as new discussions are added.

Flow自動會把不同主題的討論串依照活躍程度做排列，有最新回應的討論串排在最前，所以實際上你不需要移除投票完成應該歸檔的討論串。當討論結束後，它自然會被新的討論給往後擠。

We're planning to build the ability to move a topic to another board in the next month or two. Is that an important feature for you?

我們正計劃要設計轉移討論串到其他頁面的功能，也許接下來這一兩個月會開始做。這對各位來說是個重要的功能嗎？

#4. Could Flow support mobile version or app from WMF?

"#4. Flow是否能夠支援基金會推出的app或手機版頁面？"

Flow works on mobile web -- you can see the mobile version here. The WMF app doesn't have talk pages at all right now.

Flow是可以支援手機版本的——各位可以在這裡參見手機版本。基金會的app目前根本沒有討論頁。

Thank you for your questions -- please let me know what you think. I'll learn more about Simplified-Traditional conversion, so I can answer those questions. Thank you!

謝謝各位提問——請讓我知道後續的想法。我會再多加了解簡繁轉換功能，以便回答各位的問題。感謝大家！

Hello Danny,

Sorry, maybe I wasn't being clear,

The TC/SC Conversion is a zhwiki feature.

See also meta:Automatic conversion between simplified and traditional Chinese

There is a bug about getting it working on the mobile app (phab:T73754); however, it's not on our immediate roadmap.

現在有人回報一個影響移動應用運行的漏洞(phab:T73754)；不過這將不會是我們近期的工作優先項目。

I tried to edit description on my talk page but encountered error message saying Parsoid cannot parse the content. When I save, the message below appeared. How can I fix it? Many thanks.

[404f2474] Exception Caught: Conversion from 'html' to 'wikitext' was requested, but core's Parser only supports 'wikitext' to 'html' conversion

For record purpose, the follow-up of my enquiry is available at .

Hi Danny,

I have to say Flow is absolutely cool. Especially on the ugly Wikipedia (which has already improved a lot though). But, um, I also have to say the layout is a bit messy. It took me a while to figure out how it was arranged etc. Maybe I'm just slow to adapt to changes. =)

Anyway, I wonder if it's possible to make the first-time walkthrough process more detailed and more... user-friendly (is that the word)? Because not all people learn new things quickly.

Thank you for building such an awesome feature!

I think it is already pretty straightforward.

If you say so. *shrug*

@Hx1997：Could you make a screen recording to explain which interface is not intuitive for you? Or maybe you can demonstrate it through screen shot. If you can provide some data in a usability test way, that would be better for a more constructive discussion.

也許您可以錄下你使用Flow的流程並且點出哪些地方不夠直覺或使用者友善嗎？或者你也可以透過截圖來說明。如果你能夠提供類似使用者測試的資料，那麼討論可以朝更具建設性而具體的方向走。

@Shangkuanlc：我用文字描述吧，截图好麻烦。首先是话题和话题下的评论感觉界限不是很清楚，这点可能是我比较蠢，我一开始直觉上以为这个页面上全都是话题，加粗话题是比较重要的话题，评论是次要的话题，直到我仔细看了内容。。。尤其是话题下边的摘要，字号和评论的字号一样，评论相对于话题也没有缩进，给人感觉它们是同级的。。。。。还有就是评论话题的功能入口不是很明显，每个评论下边都有“回复”的链接，但主话题下边就没有，点旁边的三个点那个菜单里也没有，拉下来才发现有个框可以评论主话题。最后就是似乎Flow页面在用户贡献里似乎不会显示为“最新”（即使我编辑的版本的确是最新版本）？先说这些吧，也不知道我说清楚了没有= =

Hello

I'm deeply sorry: I haven't seen all feedback you posted on this topic description. I'm going to answer it soon. :)

When you have feedback to provide or is you have questions, and if I don't react, do not hesitate to mention me!

Thanks a lot Shangkuanlc for the summary!

1. Does Flow will be default in the future and we will abandon the previous talkpage system, or the Flow will only be deployed by admins, like the translate templates in meta? (by Carrotkit)
   1. The goal is that Flow would become the default talk page system in the future. As Danny explained, there are still a lot of features to build, and plans has changed. We are going to improve Flow by little steps, while we are developing Echo and Workflows (a way to simplify requests, votes, etc.). As you now, you can activate Flow on you talk page as a Beta feature. If you want to activate Flow on an other talk page, please ask me and I'll activate it.
2. Could Flow support Simplified-Traditional Chinese Conversion? (by Irycatewi)
   1. Did you get an answer about that? I'm not familiar with Chinese language, so please forgive my question: what is the importance for zh.wp to have this feature enable?
3. Could discussion in Flow be moved to another place, we need this for archive votes of DYK, GA, FA... (by Irycatewi)
   1. As Danny answered, discussions are automatically archived when they are inactive. Bout you may mean move a Topic from one page to another? If yes, there is a task about that where you can show your support!
4. Could Flow support mobile version or app from WMF? (by LNDDYL)
   1. This feature is still on the backlog, and will not be done until Mobile become a priority.
5. Could Flow support twinkle? Looks like the thread of Flow could not be deleted by TW. (by Antigng)
   1. Flow can be supported by Twinkle if Twinkle developers integrate Flow on it. I'm going to ask few people about that.
6. Looks like the translation for time-stamp is not stable in Win7. The long-term Wikipedian reports that the time-stamp on Flow is in English or can only be seen for a second the translated time-stamp. (by Shizhao)
   1. I'll answer on this Topic directly.

I hope I've answered all your questions. If you need to report a new bug or answer one of my questions, please open a new Topic. As I'm watching this page, I'll be notified of all new topics. And again, do not hesitate to mention me if needed. :)